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Gaál Sándor birth place
gecube:
Hi!
I found a very nice and interesting record about marriage of Gaál Sándor with Konth Irén Kamilla.
The record is dated from Nov. of 1855. And I attached it below. What is uncertain - that is the place of the birth of Sándor. I can read "Zemplin vm. Ujhely". But the previous word is ugly written. It may be "czigany" or "czegeny".
Please assist to decipher it.
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Babcsányi Judit:
Hi gecube!
You read it right, it is czigány which means gipsy.
BJudit
gecube:
Thank you very much, but unfortunately it gives no clue about where Sandor was born.
Probably I need to check the officers' records.
Rendeleti Közlöny a Magyar Királyi Honvédség számára, 1885 (12. évfolyam, 1-43. szám) states that:
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In A Magyar Királyi Honvédelmi Ministerium, a Honvédség és a Csendőrség Névkönyve 1885 (Budapest, 1885) we found him precisely in Zemplén.
And in 1886 he is in M.-Sziget (A Magyar Királyi Honvédelmi Ministerium, a Honvédség és a Csendőrség Névkönyve 1886 (Budapest, 1886))
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Babcsányi Judit:
Oh, sorry, if I was not clear enough, the birthplace is also OK like you read it: Ujhely in the county Zemplén which probably means Sátoraljaújhely: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%C3%A1toralja%C3%BAjhely
BJudit
gecube:
Thanks for your opinion. But I may disagree. I checked a lot of other records of the same period and they follow the rule:
1. if the birth place is the same as "lakhely" (current address) - it will be written on whole cell like "M.Szigeth 666" (666 is house number)
2. if the birth place is not the same as current address - it will be written in the same cell separately. Examples:
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So I believed that S-Ujhely was the current address of this man (and it is aligned with his profession - officer and the location of his ... I don't know ... squad?) and the previous word (which we recognized as "czigany") was his birth place...
Any suggestions?
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